This podcast features Jordan B. Peterson interviewing Katy Faust, founder of the children's rights non-profit "Them Before Us." They debate the prioritization of children's rights in social policy, particularly concerning surrogacy and same-sex parenting. Faust argues that children have a natural right to their biological mother and father, and that surrogacy violates this right, even if the resulting children are well-cared for. Peterson challenges some of Faust's assertions, prompting a discussion of the complexities of family structures and the potential long-term consequences of prioritizing adult desires over children's well-being. The discussion highlights the lack of unbiased data on the effects of same-sex parenting on children and the ethical implications of reproductive technologies.