This podcast episode features Tim Ferriss interviewing relationship therapist Terry Real about his book, *Fierce Intimacy*. Real's core concept is that relationships cycle through harmony, disharmony, and repair, and the key skill is effective repair. He identifies five "losing strategies" in relationships: being right, controlling one's partner, unbridled self-expression, retaliation, and withdrawal. Listeners learn to identify these patterns in themselves and their partners to improve relational dynamics. The interview also includes a brief promotion of a mindfulness app.
