This Fresh Air interview discusses the recent dismantling of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives across various sectors. The hosts interview two experts who define DEI, explore its historical context (pre-1961), and analyze the current backlash against it, citing economic anxieties and the influence of right-wing groups. The experts discuss the ineffectiveness of certain DEI training programs and highlight more successful strategies like broad-based recruiting and mentoring programs. The conversation concludes by acknowledging the personal toll on DEI advocates and considering the future impact of Gen Z's expectations on workplace diversity. One key takeaway is that while some DEI initiatives have been ineffective, others, such as skills training and broad-based recruiting, have demonstrably improved diversity in workplaces.