This episode of Rethinking features an interview with Loretta Ross, a reproductive rights activist, discussing her shift from "calling out" to "calling in" as a more effective approach to difficult conversations. The conversation explores Ross's personal experiences, including instances where her initial confrontational style backfired, leading her to rethink her strategies. Specific examples include her handling of intellectual property theft and her interactions with former members of hate groups. The podcast highlights the importance of self-reflection, choosing a thoughtful response over immediate outrage, and prioritizing empathy to foster genuine change rather than simply shaming individuals. Listeners gain insights into constructive confrontation techniques and the limitations of cancel culture.