This podcast episode reviews a Joe Rogan Experience interview with chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen, focusing on Carlsen's exceptional skills, the controversy surrounding Hans Niemann's alleged cheating, and the future of chess in the age of AI. The hosts discuss Carlsen's calm demeanor under pressure, the evidence for and against Niemann's cheating (including the "anal beads" anecdote), and Carlsen's perspective on the evolving strategies in chess due to AI. They also speculate on the potential future integration of AI into chess training and the implications for the game's evolution. A key takeaway is the discussion of how even subtle errors in chess can have significant consequences at the highest levels of play. The episode concludes with speculation on Niemann's potential future appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience to share his side of the story.