This White Horse Inn podcast episode features Michael Horton interviewing Harold Senkbeil, a Lutheran pastor and author, about the Christian understanding of death and suffering, particularly in relation to the concepts of mortification and vivification. The conversation explores how baptism signifies a death to sin and a new life in Christ, providing comfort in the face of death. Senkbeil emphasizes the importance of honestly confronting sin and suffering, not as a downer, but as a path to finding hope and life in Christ's sacrifice and resurrection. He uses his personal experience of his wife's death to illustrate how faith offers solace amidst grief. The discussion concludes by highlighting the significance of Holy Saturday as a symbol of the transition between death and resurrection, both spiritually and physically.