This podcast interviews British historian Andrew Roberts to discuss historical precedents for President Trump's proposed plan to relocate Gaza's Palestinian population. The interview begins with a discussion of the release of Israeli hostages from Gaza, followed by an examination of several historical examples where population transfers occurred after wars, including post-WWII Germany, the breakup of Yugoslavia, and the partition of India. Roberts argues that attacking neighbors and losing subsequent wars often results in the loss of sovereignty and population transfers, a pattern he sees potentially repeating in Gaza. He emphasizes that while the situation in Gaza is still unfolding, the historical record suggests that Hamas's actions could lead to similar outcomes.