This podcast features Joe Rogan interviewing chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen. The conversation begins with introductions and Carlsen's early exposure to chess, sparked by sibling rivalry. A significant portion focuses on Carlsen's perspective on a recent cheating scandal in the chess world, including the infamous "anal beads" theory. The discussion then shifts to Carlsen's unique approach to chess, emphasizing enthusiasm and intuition over rigid discipline, and his current views on the game's evolution in the age of powerful chess engines. Finally, they touch upon Carlsen's personal life, hobbies (including golf), and his overall outlook on maintaining a balance between his passion and other aspects of life.