This podcast discusses the impact of DeepSeek, a Chinese AI company, on the open-source versus closed-source AI debate in the US. The podcast analyzes DeepSeek's open-source models, which challenge the performance and cost of leading US closed-source models, prompting discussion about the potential shift in power dynamics and the need for a US open-source strategy. A key takeaway is the contrasting views on AI safety and the potential for regulatory capture, with some arguing that open-sourcing is inevitable and others expressing safety concerns. The podcast concludes by highlighting the evolving landscape and the need for a new US approach to open-source AI development. The emergence of DeepSeek's surprisingly efficient models has spurred reactions from industry leaders like Sam Altman and Elon Musk, suggesting a paradigm shift in the AI industry.