This episode explores the multifaceted challenges and approaches to AI alignment, specifically focusing on how to ensure large language models (LLMs) behave ethically and safely. Against the backdrop of ongoing research at Anthropic, the discussion centers on three key perspectives: fine-tuning models to emulate the behavior of a "morally motivated human," developing methods for scalable oversight of increasingly complex AI actions, and leveraging interpretability techniques to understand and verify the models' internal processes. More significantly, the panelists debate the limitations of current approaches, highlighting the difficulty of evaluating model alignment when actions become too complex for human comprehension. For instance, the challenge of distinguishing between genuinely helpful behavior and mere mimicry of helpfulness is discussed. The conversation also touches upon the broader societal implications of AI alignment, emphasizing the need for a systems-level approach that considers the interaction between multiple models and their impact on society. In conclusion, the episode reveals the ongoing tension between achieving corrigibility (models responding to human directives) and broader alignment with human values, underscoring the need for continuous research and adaptation as AI capabilities evolve.