This podcast features Brené Brown interviewing Simon Sinek about his new book, *The Infinite Game*. The conversation centers on the distinction between finite and infinite mindsets, exploring how a finite mindset (focused on short-term wins and control) contrasts with an infinite mindset (embracing long-term vision and adaptation). Sinek introduces five actionable practices for cultivating an infinite mindset: advancing a just cause, building trusting teams, embracing worthy rivals, fostering existential flexibility, and demonstrating the courage to lead. The discussion uses examples like Blockbuster vs. Netflix and Apple's development of the iPhone to illustrate the advantages of infinite thinking in business. Listeners gain a framework for shifting from a short-sighted approach to a more sustainable, purpose-driven leadership style.