This interview podcast focuses on the topic of ending therapy, framed by the recent passing of the interviewee's mentor, Dr. John Tarr. The podcast begins with a tribute to Dr. Tarr, highlighting his life and career, followed by an excerpt from a lecture he gave on the emotional complexities of therapy termination. Dr. Tarr discusses the various emotional responses patients experience (sadness, anger, symptom recurrence), the importance of addressing esteem issues, and the concept of the therapist's voice remaining with the patient even after the end of therapy. The podcast concludes with reflections on the lasting impact of Dr. Tarr's mentorship and the internalization of his wisdom. A key takeaway is Dr. Tarr's emphasis on reframing therapy termination as a transition, not an ending, and the importance of acknowledging both successes and shortcomings in the therapeutic process.