This interview podcast discusses the disruptive impact of DeepSeek, a cost-effective AI model developed by a Chinese hedge fund, on the AI industry. The podcast begins by establishing context around the AI industry's focus on massive compute and funding, exemplified by OpenAI's Stargate project. Then, it delves into DeepSeek's capabilities and surprisingly low development cost, triggering market reactions and debate about the future of AI development. The discussion explores the implications for various stakeholders, including large AI companies, smaller startups, and investors, highlighting the potential for increased competition and a shift towards more efficient AI development. A key takeaway is the questioning of the previously assumed necessity of massive investment in data centers for competitive AI model development, as DeepSeek demonstrates a viable alternative.