This interview podcast features Higepon, a software engineer known for creating an operating system (OS) called Mona and for his anonymous online presence. The conversation begins with an introduction to Higepon and his background, then delves into the creation of Mona, the challenges of low-level development, and his current work on iOS applications. Later, the discussion shifts to Higepon's unexpected foray into hip-hop dance, reflecting on overcoming self-doubt and embracing new challenges in midlife. Finally, the hosts and Higepon discuss the implications of AI, including its potential impact on the future of work, the reliability of information, and the ethical considerations of advanced AI development. A specific takeaway is Higepon's emphasis on the importance of defining clear objective functions when developing AI to prevent unintended consequences.