This interview podcast discusses the outlook for European defense spending in light of pressure from the Trump administration to increase it to 5% of GDP. The interview features an expert who argues that this 5% target is unrealistic due to economic constraints, political uncertainties, and the defense industry's limited capacity to absorb such a rapid increase in demand. A more realistic target is proposed at 3% of GDP, which would still represent a significant increase in spending and boost the European defense industry. The discussion also covers the steps Europe needs to take to reduce its reliance on the U.S. for defense equipment, highlighting the need for increased investment in its own defense industrial base. Ultimately, the podcast concludes that the success of increased European defense spending hinges on clear political commitments from various European governments.