This interview podcast discusses the intersection of big tech, government regulation, and free speech online. The conversation begins by establishing the context of recent events, including Meta's changes to content moderation and the fluctuating status of TikTok. The core discussion centers on the growing power of tech companies and the evolving strategies governments employ to regulate them, using the examples of the EU's Digital Services Act and the US government's approach to TikTok. A key takeaway is the assertion that the current situation represents a power struggle between tech giants and nation-states, with the potential for significant consequences for online speech and the user experience. The podcast concludes by exploring the implications of a potential US government stake in TikTok and the broader implications for content moderation on social media platforms.