This interview podcast episode focuses on the future of Infrastructure as Code (IaC) and the value proposition of MassDriver, a platform aiming to simplify IaC for engineering teams. The hosts, Corey O'Daniel and Dave Williams (co-founder of MassDriver), discuss the evolution of their product from an internal tool to a self-service platform, emphasizing the shift from Ops-centric to developer-centric workflows. They highlight the concept of "self-service" in IaC, explaining how it empowers developers while mitigating operational burdens for Ops teams by providing pre-approved, readily available modules. A key takeaway is the importance of creating modular, composable IaC components to reduce the need for extensive code reviews and enable faster deployments. The discussion also touches upon compliance and the benefits of a proactive approach to security and auditability, contrasting it with reactive methods.