Episode 034: The Systems That Shape Us with Seth Godin

This interview podcast features Annie Duke and Seth Godin discussing decision-making, focusing on how societal systems and cognitive biases influence choices. The conversation explores the impact of "systems" (e.g., the wedding industrial complex) designed to manipulate decisions, highlighting the need for decision education. Godin emphasizes the dual nature of tribes—fostering community while also potentially causing division—and the importance of empathy in leadership. Duke shares examples like the "blue ribbon" campaign and the Greyston Bakery's open hiring policy to illustrate how framing decisions and understanding incentives can lead to better outcomes. Listeners gain practical insights into overcoming decision fatigue by differentiating between "picking" and "sorting" choices, and recognizing the power of framing to influence behavior.