168: Auto Goats (feat. Koen Bok and Jorn van Dijk)

This podcast episode explores the history of product design in Amsterdam, including the challenges and opportunities faced by startups in the city. The episode also delves into the differences between Silicon Valley and Amsterdam's tech and design industries, discussing the cultural mindset, job opportunities, and the importance of nurturing junior designers. Finally, the episode explores the future of design tools, the role of code in design, and the challenges and rewards of being a startup founder.