This interview podcast features Malcolm Gladwell, a renowned author, in conversation with Nicolai Tangen, CEO of the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund. The discussion centers on societal changes over the past 25 years, focusing on the persistent challenges of human cooperation despite technological advancements. Gladwell highlights the significant impact of demographic shifts, particularly the aging population, on technology adoption and the difficulties leaders face in admitting mistakes. He also discusses his evolving views on crime reduction, emphasizing the importance of targeted interventions rather than broad strategies. Listeners gain insights into Gladwell's approach to idea generation, his perspective on introversion, and his thoughts on the surprising persistence of successful individuals in their careers.