This interview podcast features Indre Viskontas interviewing Kurt Gray, a professor of psychology and neuroscience, about his book "Outraged." The discussion centers on Gray's research into the science of morality, challenging three common myths: that humans are apex predators, that there are harmless wrongs, and that facts bridge divides. Gray argues that morality is fundamentally rooted in perceptions of harm and threat, and that moral disagreements stem from differing assessments of vulnerability and the nature of harm itself. The interview explores the role of emotions like disgust and fear in moral judgments, and suggests that bridging moral divides requires understanding the other side's perspective and concerns, rather than simply presenting facts. The podcast concludes with a discussion on the potential for hope in bridging these divides through empathy and understanding.