This interview podcast features Mable Jiang interviewing MT, a core contributor of Virtuals, a platform for building and launching AI agents. The conversation begins with MT's background in crypto and GameFi, detailing their journey from a consulting job to launching PATHDAO, a gaming DAO, and navigating the subsequent market downturn. The discussion then centers on Virtuals, focusing on its unique features, including a no-code approach to agent creation, its diverse range of agents (e.g., investment agents, embodied agents), and its tokenomics model designed to incentivize growth within the ecosystem. MT highlights Virtuals' focus on supporting builders and fostering community growth, rather than prioritizing immediate profit. Finally, the interview touches upon Virtuals' plans for expansion, including partnerships and future development of its framework. One specific takeaway is MT's explanation of Virtuals' tokenomics, which involves a 1% swap fee that goes to the agent's subDAO, promoting a decentralized and community-driven approach.