Joe Rogan interviews Annie Jacobsen, an author specializing in government secrecy, military history, and controversial topics. They discuss Jacobsen's book "Area 51," focusing on the alleged Stalin-era hoax involving surgically altered humans to resemble aliens and a staged UFO crash. The conversation explores the reliability of Jacobsen's sources, the government's use of disinformation, and the ethical implications of human experimentation. They also delve into Jacobsen's book "Surprise, Kill, Vanish," examining the CIA's covert operations, assassination programs, and the moral complexities of targeted killings. The discussion touches on Operation Paperclip, the recruitment of Nazi scientists after World War II, and the ethical compromises made in the name of national security, as well as the potential dangers of AI and autonomous weapons.
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