Kelli and Nolan start with a heartfelt discussion about LA fires before diving into the art of handling CEO mandates for attrition targets.

They reveal insider strategies for transforming harsh directives into meaningful performance frameworks, while warning against becoming the dreaded "person of no."

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro(01:17) Offer of Support for the California Wildfires(03:44) Dear Heretics(04:00) Question on Mandated Attrition Targets(05:15) Contextualizing Performance Targets(06:32) Genesis of these Performance Discussions(07:00) Examples of Poor Implementation: Tesla's RIFs(08:03) Sponsor: Metaview(10:05) RIFs versus Performance(10:42) How to respond to a CEO who says fire the bottom 5%(12:40) The Importance of Defining 'Why'(13:23) CEOs and the complexity of execution(14:00) Reframing the Problem for CEO's(14:31) The tactical anxiety of HR leaders(15:42) Pre and Post Pandemic Environments(16:23) The danger of being the "no" person/team(17:18) Wrap

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