This episode of the "Empire" podcast interviews Professor Ali Ansari, an expert in Iranian studies, about the Iranian Revolution of 1979. The discussion traces the Shah's declining popularity, highlighting his mistakes and the rise of Ayatollah Khomeini as an alternative offering clarity and decisiveness amidst societal upheaval. Specific events like the Jaleh Square Massacre and the US embassy hostage crisis are analyzed, showcasing the revolution's chaotic and violent nature. The interview concludes by discussing the lasting impact of the revolution on the Middle East and the enduring legacy of Khomeini's rule. The long-term effects on Iranian society, including a massive diaspora, are also explored.