This podcast delves into the uncertain future of NATO if Donald Trump is re-elected. Trump's previous criticisms of the alliance, along with the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, fuel concerns about the United States' support for NATO. The conversation covers NATO's history, its dependence on US military strength, and the challenges of addressing European security needs alongside the diverse defense spending levels of its member countries. Additionally, the podcast examines the ambiguity surrounding Ukraine's potential NATO membership and the strategies that the new Secretary General is implementing to ensure continued US involvement.