Ever wondered why your HR team feels like a bunch of separate countries? Tune in as Kelli and Nolan reveal why mixing your People Ops like finger paint might be the secret sauce to scaling – and why that messy feeling means you're actually crushing it.

Discover how top HR leaders transformed from "the team in the corner" to invaluable business partners – and how you can, too.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:21) Dear Heretics Question: Cross-Functional HR Collaboration

(01:11) The Missing Link in HR Teams

(02:42) DoorDash's GM Model & Early Learnings

(04:36) The Weekly Business Review Magic

(05:13) Building One Cohesive HR Experience

(07:09) The Color Gradient Approach to HR

(08:01) Sponsor: Metaview

(09:42) Pod Structure: SWAT Teams for People Ops

(10:38) Embracing Regular Reorgs

(11:44) Why Messy HR is Good HR

(12:29) Mobility as a Silo-Breaker

(13:05) Wrap

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