This podcast episode features Jim Rutt interviewing Gregg Henriques about his Unified Theory of Knowledge (UTOK). The discussion covers UTOK's core components: three vectors of knowing (subjective, intersubjective, objective), the Tree of Knowledge, the I-Quad coin, and the UTOK garden frame. Henriques explains how UTOK addresses the "enlightenment gap" and offers a unified approach to psychology and psychotherapy. The interview also touches upon the metacrisis and the potential for a fifth joint point in human evolution, highlighting the need for new systems of collective sense-making in a rapidly changing world. A key takeaway is the concept of "mindedness" and its three levels, illustrating the evolution of consciousness.