In this podcast, Chris Williamson and Dave Smith dive into the current media landscape. Smith argues that corporate media functions as a tool for state propaganda, consistently aligning with those in power and failing to provide accurate coverage of important events. He believes that independent media, such as Joe Rogan's podcast, has outperformed corporate outlets in both insight and audience engagement, reflecting a growing public skepticism. The conversation also explores the evolving social media environment, the emergence of alternative platforms, and the new challenges faced by those in power, who must now participate in open and unscripted discussions.