In this podcast episode, the hosts explore a growing trend among major tech companies, like Microsoft, to dismantle or reduce their DEI teams. They raise doubts about the authenticity of past DEI commitments, suggesting that many efforts may have been more about appearances than a true dedication to diversity and inclusion. While acknowledging some positive cultural changes, they emphasize the need for a reassessment of DEI strategies due to the lack of real progress in representation. The hosts call for a shift towards proactive, long-term solutions that prioritize community initiatives and weave DEI principles into the fabric of company culture, rather than relying solely on specialized departments.