In this podcast, Jordan Peterson engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Stephen Hicks, a philosopher, centered around Dr. Hicks's five courses at Peterson Academy. They explore why studying philosophy is essential, tracing the development of philosophical ideas from modernism to postmodernism and beyond. Key topics include the shortcomings of traditional empiricism and rationalism, the influence of narrative on our perceptions, and the need to merge neuroscience with philosophical inquiry. Additionally, they critique postmodernism's emphasis on power as a central narrative, offering a more optimistic perspective on human cognitive abilities and their potential to foster better societies.