Revisiting Baldwin vs. Buckley

This is a podcast from The New York Times Book Review, hosted by Gilbert Cruz. It features archived conversations, starting with a discussion between Pamela Paul and Nicholas Buccola about Buccola's book, "The Fire Is Upon Us," which examines the 1965 debate between James Baldwin and William F. Buckley. They discuss the backgrounds and contrasting circumstances of Baldwin and Buckley, their views on American democracy, and the context surrounding their famous debate at Cambridge. The podcast also includes clips from the debate itself. The episode further includes an interview between Pamela Paul and Lydia Millet about her novel, "A Children's Bible," focusing on themes of climate change, generational conflict, and the use of biblical allegory in the story, as well as Millet's perspective on being labeled an environmental writer.