In this episode of the Rethinking podcast, Adam Grant sits down with Yuval Noah Harari to discuss themes of fairness, justice, and the significant role storytelling plays in shaping human history and conflict. Harari posits that our ideas of fairness are subjective constructs that often conflict with the quest for peace. He underscores the influence of narratives, pointing out how both uplifting stories—like the liberal narrative that highlights our shared humanity—and darker tales, such as those from fascist and communist ideologies that focus on division, shape our worldview and drive our actions. Their conversation delves into the challenges of resolving conflicts peacefully, the importance of looking forward instead of being weighed down by the past, and the potential effects of AI on culture and society.