In this podcast, two product leaders from leading AI companies share their insights on the challenges and rewards of creating AI-driven products. They discuss the unpredictable nature of AI development and stress the importance of iterative evaluations in crafting successful solutions. The conversation touches on adapting to AI's non-deterministic characteristics, the value of user feedback, and the evolving skills that product managers need in this fast-paced environment, such as writing effective evaluations and prototyping with AI models. They also explore future trends, including proactive and asynchronous AI interactions, as well as the growing significance of model personality and user relationships.