In this episode of the podcast, Terry Gross engages in a captivating conversation with Jeremy Strong, who shares his insights on playing Roy Cohn in *The Apprentice* and Kendall Roy in *Succession*. They delve into themes like manipulation, inner turmoil, and the nuances of portraying historical figures accurately. The second half features Will Ferrell and Harper Steele discussing Harper's transition journey and the evolution of their friendship. They explore the challenges, victories, and personal growth linked to these transitions, revealing deep reflections on identity, empathy, and the significance of supportive relationships.