In this podcast episode, hosts MP and Vivian explore Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) with seasoned SRE Macey. She emphasizes that SRE is a unique engineering discipline dedicated to maintaining system reliability and uptime, distinguishing it from standard software engineering with a focus on operations. The conversation highlights the complex interplay between reliability, risk management, and the necessary balance between agility and stability, advocating for structured approaches like thorough testing and validation. Macey also discusses how SREs approach new and legacy systems differently, stressing their consultative role in suggesting design enhancements without making unilateral decisions. The episode addresses external factors such as service level agreements and the challenge of managing "toil," ultimately pointing out that as technology evolves, SREs will continue to find meaningful work by adapting and innovating.