In this podcast episode, we explore the complexities of building dependable software through the lens of Site Reliability Engineering (SRE). The conversation urges us to move past traditional roles and reactive methods. Industry leaders share their insights on fostering a culture of collaboration in database management and taking proactive steps to enhance application reliability. The discussion stresses the significance of metrics in justifying investments in reliability. By the end, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of reliability not just as an objective, but as a core principle of modern software development.