In this podcast episode, Hilton Als shares his deep admiration for Alice Neel, celebrating her remarkable ability to capture the complexities of human experience. The conversation delves into themes like sexuality, motherhood, and the political climate of Neel's era, as Als and his hosts explore the significance of her diverse portrayals and the evolving meaning of "queer." They highlight the emotional richness in Neel's portraits, showcasing her talent for weaving personal and societal stories together. Ultimately, the discussion underscores the lasting influence of Neel and her contemporaries, such as James Baldwin, in challenging societal norms and embracing the nuances of their art.