This podcast episode offers an in-depth exploration of "Joker: Folie à Deux," shedding light on its dark musical narrative and the intricate relationship between Arthur Fleck and Harley Quinn. Through engaging discussions with director Todd Phillips, the episode delves into the uniqueness of the film's music as a vehicle for expressing characters' inner worlds, the creative challenges of merging gritty realism with the superhero genre, and the importance of collaboration and flexibility in filmmaking. Ultimately, Phillips reflects on his evolution as a filmmaker, emphasizing the emotional depth and complexity of the Joker narrative while expressing a hopeful desire to return to comedy amidst a chaotic world.