This episode is part two in a two-part conversation. If you haven't already, listen to Part 1 first.

This week is the second part of a conversation between Rob and Jordan Gal, the founder of CartHook. In the episode, Rob and Jordan dig into the 4th, 5th and 6th stages of SaaS growth and compare their journeys 1:1 between growing Drip and growing CartHook. They come across several parallels between their journeys, as well as some differences. This episode is part two in a two-part conversation.

Jordan started CartHook as cart abandonment software and later pivoted into a checkout replacement solution for Shopify. He has been on the podcast several times answering listener questions and has spoken at a handful of MicroConfs. He is also the co-host of the Bootstrapped Web podcast.

Every time we come up against the hill and then climb it and get to the top, when we look outward, we see so much more. So, the opportunity just keeps getting bigger the further we go. We're not even close. We're just barely getting started.

- Jordan Gal

What we discuss with Jordan Gal

1:10 Rob's experience with Stage 4: Escape Velocity
4:35 Jordan Gal's experience with Stage 4: Escape Velocity
9:06 Parallels between Drip & CartHook's journeys
9:50 Jordon on hitting limitations and looking beyond money
15:27 A fast-growing business isn't profitable
17:26 Rob's experience with Stage 5: Scale
21:54 Jordan's experience with Stage 5: Scale
25:10 Stage 6: Company Building
27:39 The range of skills founders need when building a startup
30:18 Jordan Gal on the future of CartHook

Links from the show:

CartHook
Bootstrapped Web
Jordan Gal | Twitter
[Watch] Two Years in the SaaS Trenches - Jordan Gal | MicroConf Starter 2017
[Listen] “We Went from Hundreds of Free Trials to a Few Dozen…On Purpose” with Jordan Gal | Episode 476

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