This podcast episode features a deep dive into the unconventional company structure of 37signals as co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss how operating without full-time managers enhances their business culture, promotes hands-on leadership, and fosters career progression for individual contributors. Highlighting successful examples from other companies and emphasizing autonomy, accountability, and direct engagement in work, they advocate for a more relatable and efficient approach to management that challenges traditional hierarchies, allowing for better relationships and a focused commitment to values and principles.