This podcast episode explores the complex legacy of Paul Schulze-Naumburg through the lens of the Die Das project, addressing the contradictions between his progressive environmental views and his deeply ingrained racism, while confronting the historical Nazi connections to the site. It reflects on the broader socio-political context of Eastern Germany, including the rise of the AfD party and its criticisms regarding Germany's reckoning with its past, ultimately questioning if it is possible to create a future that acknowledges and detoxifies its troubling history.