This podcast episode features an in-depth conversation between Cruz and Robert Caro, centered on the intricate nature of power, particularly through the lens of Lyndon Johnson's life and legacy. Caro articulates that while power can unveil a person's true character, it also often necessitates a level of concealment during the ascent to authority. The discussion covers prominent themes including the process of writing, the significant roles of Caro's collaborators, and the enduring impact of figures like Robert Moses in shaping societal infrastructure. Ultimately, Caro emphasizes the importance of persistence in the pursuit of truth and understanding the complexities of power dynamics.