This podcast episode explores the concept of caste in America, as depicted in Ava DuVernay's film "Origin," an adaptation of Isabel Wilkerson's book "Caste." The conversation highlights the lack of representation of Black women intellectuals in film and examines the transformative power of film in exploring complex social issues. The speakers emphasize the insidious nature of caste and the challenges faced by Black Americans, while also discussing the importance of addressing and understanding these issues to foster understanding and empathy.