This podcast episode delves into the complex legacies of Elia Kazan, featuring his controversial testimony before the HUAC, which he defended based on personal convictions and a desire to protect his career. It also includes reflections from his granddaughter, Zoe Kazan, as she confronts her grandfather's contentious past while participating in a project that echoes that history. The episode culminates in a nostalgic interview with Eva Marie Saint, highlighting her experiences in classic films that Kazan directed, showcasing the intricate interplay between art, personal history, and the moral dilemmas faced by those in the film industry.