Podcast: Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Episode: Joscha Bach - AGI24 Keynote (Cyberanimism)
Release date: 2024-08-21

Dr. Joscha Bach introduces a surprising idea called "cyber animism" in his AGI-24 talk - the notion that nature might be full of self-organizing software agents, similar to the spirits in ancient belief systems. Bach suggests that consciousness could be a kind of software running on our brains, and wonders if similar "programs" might exist in plants or even entire ecosystems.

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Joscha takes us on a tour de force through history, philosophy, and cutting-edge computer science, teasing us to rethink what we know about minds, machines, and the world around us. Joscha believes we should blur the lines between human, artificial, and natural intelligence, and argues that consciousness might be more widespread and interconnected than we ever thought possible.

Dr. Joscha Bach

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This is video 2/9 from our coverage of AGI-24 in Seattle https://agi-conf.org/2024/

Watch the official MLST interview with Joscha which we did right after this talk on our Patreon now on early access - https://www.patreon.com/posts/joscha-bach-110199676 (you also get access to our private discord and biweekly calls)

TOC:

00:00:00 Introduction: AGI and Cyberanimism

00:03:57 The Nature of Consciousness

00:08:46 Aristotle's Concepts of Mind and Consciousness

00:13:23 The Hard Problem of Consciousness

00:16:17 Functional Definition of Consciousness

00:20:24 Comparing LLMs and Human Consciousness

00:26:52 Testing for Consciousness in AI Systems

00:30:00 Animism and Software Agents in Nature

00:37:02 Plant Consciousness and Ecosystem Intelligence

00:40:36 The California Institute for Machine Consciousness

00:44:52 Ethics of Conscious AI and Suffering

00:46:29 Philosophical Perspectives on Consciousness

00:49:55 Q&A: Formalisms for Conscious Systems

00:53:27 Coherence, Self-Organization, and Compute Resources

YT version (very high quality, filmed by us live)

https://youtu.be/34VOI_oo-qM

Refs:

Aristotle's work on the soul and consciousness

Richard Dawkins' work on genes and evolution

Gerald Edelman's concept of Neural Darwinism

Thomas Metzinger's book "Being No One"

Yoshua Bengio's concept of the "consciousness prior"

Stuart Hameroff's theories on microtubules and consciousness

Christof Koch's work on consciousness

Daniel Dennett's "Cartesian Theater" concept

Giulio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory

Mike Levin's work on organismal intelligence

The concept of animism in various cultures

Freud's model of the mind

Buddhist perspectives on consciousness and meditation

The Genesis creation narrative (for its metaphorical interpretation)

California Institute for Machine Consciousness

Joscha Bach - AGI24 Keynote (Cyberanimism)

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