This podcast episode delves into the evolution of NASA's culture, illustrating how initial innovative zeal can give way to complacency and organizational dysfunction, particularly through the lens of the Columbia and Challenger disasters. Edmondson highlights the critical role of effective leadership in fostering a culture of safety and continuous improvement, emphasizing that leaders must prioritize dissenting voices and collaborative problem-solving. By examining contrasting leadership styles, the unique challenges faced by engineers and managers, and the hierarchical barriers to learning, the episode underscores essential lessons for organizational reflection and growth that extend beyond the realm of aerospace.