This podcast episode features a compelling discussion with Michael Abrash, Chief Scientist of Reality Labs at Meta, regarding the evolution and future of virtual and augmented reality. They explore the intertwined nature of hardware and software development, significant innovations, and the challenges faced in discovering valuable user experiences. Abrash envisions a future where AI and smart glasses converge to create seamless interactions, while reflecting on the transformative potential of technologies inspired by science fiction. Their conversation encapsulates the ongoing journey in the VR and AR landscape, underlining the need for visionary thinkers to shape its next chapter.