This podcast episode delves into various aspects of debt, including its historical roots, its psychological implications, and its role in morality, economics, and education. The speakers explore the idea of debt beyond financial obligations, considering its metaphorical uses and its impact on relationships and society. They discuss Nietzsche's unique perspective on morality and forgiveness, and explore the transformation of higher education in the United States, particularly the shift from entrepreneurial students to indebted student subjects. They also examine the history of debt cancellation and the concept of debt in the context of capitalism and freedom, questioning the validity of debt in a system characterized by inequality.