This podcast episode features a conversation with Ben Rubin, CEO of Here Not There Labs, who shares his experiences in building breakout apps like Meerkat and Houseparty. Rubin emphasizes the importance of product market fit and creating engaging user experiences. The discussion also explores the challenges faced in designing features, navigating industry dynamics, and the pivot from Meerkat to Houseparty. Additionally, the episode highlights the significance of somatic balance, building decentralized networks, time management, and owning spaces for target audiences in the crypto community. The speakers also delve into the hiring process, embracing failure, and adapting to product direction changes. Lastly, the section touches upon the complexities of token creation within a decentralized protocol and legal considerations.